Next week we will testing and talking about Solid State Drives on netbooks and UMPCs. What's your take? JKK thinks they are goooood!
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Friday, November 14, 2008
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ssd drives are the future not only in mobile devices we will see them in all computer devices. but it will take time, they are not fast enough now and they are too expensive now. but i think in a year or two we dont use normal harddrives in computers. i dont buy netbooks with harddrive i damaged too much. "ssd is the future hdd is the past" i will keep a eye beside your side not only next week ;-)
ps: i have a 32 gb slc ssd in my asus 900 and i am absolutly happy :-)
Yes, SSD are the future and if you do not care about the cost they even serve well in the present. However, the random write is just to poor on most MLC models (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3403) to the point that I have sold my first SSD encounter (Aspire One with P-SSD1800 and XP-SP3) in order to replace it with something 2.5" based for the moment. Then that 2.5" HD can always be replaced with some future SSD with good random write performance.
By the way - you should jump to page 8 at least in that anandtech review of the Intel X25 SSD
would love to get some info on ssd especial any that are reasonably priced and 1.8
Great idea JKK!!!!
Could you compare same SSD, Pci-e and SATA?
Also could be great and "comming soon", don´t you think?
One more think... PRICE (and where, of course)
Thanks.
I'll be getting my HP Mini 1000 in a week and since it comes with slow 1.8" PATA HDD, I'd like to see some cheap 1.8" SLC SSD I could use to replace the slow drive. But I am afraid that 1.8" are still rare and expensive.
pls test some 8gb or 16gb ssds :) with a "cheap" price ... so i have a chance to buy a good one :)
I use SSDs and USB external RAID 1 hard drives. Only problem with an SSD is that when it goes bad, how do you recover what you got? So, backups are important, and so why not use as a storage location a USB RAID 1 SATA hard drive (that can be also accessed by eSATA as well). Then you don't need so big of an internal SSD, you can then afford to get a FAST one that saves on battery.
What, today is the best PPA, and SATA SSD that one can buy for the money? I am looking for one to put into a HP 2133 Mini-note (SATA) and wonder what is the best selction? Have other devices too that I would be interested in replacing HDD. SO, for every size of SSD, for every replacement "size" PPA, SATA, 2.5, 1.8, etc... scenerio, what is the best today?
I'd like a summary table of features of different SSDs - so it's easy to compare size, read speed, write speed, cost, etc. SSD is definitely the future, but maybe it is too expensive for the present...
when ssd's go bad, data is moved away from those sectors by their wear leveling. as I understand it they should actually warn you when enough sectors degrade and your useable capacity goes down. This gives you enough time to move your data
I would really like to hear if someone had such problems with todays SSDs...
Why does not many use 1.8" in older Ultra portables like Thinkpad X40 ?? Is there a solution for this?
Are you going to cover any 2.5" SSD Drives? Looking to replace my hd in my aspire one with an ssd, if I can find one that's worth getting and isn't $700+
there where problems, people talked about in the english eee forum.
a backup is always important, for that it doesnt matter ssd or hdd.
I had some problems with the second SSD (8Gb) in my 901. My system became very slow and i tried to partition and format the drive, but finnaly Windows couldn't see the drive anymore. After checking for errors with HD Tune, there where serveral bad sectors on the SSD. Asus replaced the SSD for a new one, a 16Gb!
Everything can fail... it is Murphy's Law.
So, you still need a backup plan.
One major request I have - you've done so many speed tests on different SSD's that they can be difficult to find and compare, could you bundle all of them into a single article? For instance, I'd like to compare the Eee 901's 16GB MLC to a MyDigitalDiscount 16GB SLC to an Intel 1.8" 80GB etc, etc.
Also, that's something I'd love to see - your prototype ZIF adapter (any more details on date/price?) hooked up to the Intel X18-M. Sure it's frighteningly expensive, but it just doesn't get any better than that. :)
jkk--great topic, love to hear more about what you've seen.
For hard drive replacement SSD's I assume the current state is--buy the Intel SSDs since they're so much faster. If you disagree, feel free to clarify, but for me I'm mostly interested in the netbook space...
I've been looking at options for the Dell Mini 9, and it looks like the choices are somewhat limited. There's the STEC 8GB/16GB choices available from Dell, which seem quite good. Then there's the MDD drives, in both MLC (slow apparently) and SLC (haven't really heard any details from anybody). And there are the Intel ZP-230's which seem sorta pedestrian given they're from Intel.
Any opinions on which of these is best? I just want fast bootup of XP and Firefox. Could care less about most other things.
Also, more info on running FAT-32 vs. NTFS on SSDs, and on running compressed or not would be helpful.
I have just purchased a 900HA, and while SSDs will have their day, it is not 2008. There is no comparison between a SSD eee PC and one with a 2.5: SATA HDD with 160 GB of storage.
I'm currently using Super Talent 64GB MLC SSD on my Eee PC 901 as my secondary SSD, but it keeps reporting disk read/write error whenever I use Power Saving Mode. See the pics and videos on my blog: http://amanda_hoic.mysinabog.com/ .
The intel SSD is damn expensive!
The drive is more expensive than buying an EeePc itself.
To Amanda:
Yes the Super Talent MLC SSD's are too slow to be of use for OS drives.
You can only install a Linux distribution on it with 'noatime' enabled.
Otherwise the drive is just too slow to do al the IO s.
To ProDigit:
I'm not installing my OS on it. I just use it for photo/movie storage.
The drive performs abnormally when the Eee PC is running in Power Saving Mode - cache writing error pops up and there are lots of disk error events in Computer Management -> Event Viewer -> System. Sometimes Windows even launched up Scandisk during startup (this is unusual when the drive is running NTFS)
These problems shouldn't appear if it's just because it's a slow drive. ~_~ As some other people mentioned this problem as well, I would reckon this is a design defect.
i will move to ssd when prices for anything above 128gb is afordable. i'm a musician and my m912x became the main computer for daily use and i need disk space.
can't wait to see what you will be testing...
keep up the good work
Joao
hey, what about this:
http://soltec.exblog.jp/8710643/
mini pci-e to CF adapter :D
and this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Macbook-Apple-Airport-Wireless-Mini-PCI-E-Card-802-11n_W0QQitemZ350125024391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Laptop_Accessories?hash=item350125024391&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
can i plug this instead the g wifi in the dell mini 9?
what about the non solded pci port in the dell mini? can i sold one and put another SSD in there?
I bit confuse can I extend/upgrade my 901 primary SSD? I suppose 901 using PCI-e PCIe it is same like Dell Inspiron Mini 9???
The new 901 XP are allready coming with a single 16GB SSD which are extremely fast with writing speeds of 50Mo/s and reading of 87Mo/s. On top of that it comes with 8700 mAh in 8.7 volts batteries, 8 hours should be assured.
On top of the AnandTech test posted above, here is another good read on SSD testing: http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-X25M-80GB-SATA-Solid-State-Drive-Intel-Ups-The-Ante/?page=1
I sure wouldn't mind fitting one of those X25-M or even a X25-E - 3.300 random 4KB Write IOPS or 170MB/s sequential write speed!!! (http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20081015comp.htm?iid=pr1_releasepri_20081015m) into a netbook ;-)
If your netbook has a 1.8" or 2.5" hard drive, you can put one of those Intel SSDs in there. If your netbook is like the Dell Mini 9 and Asus EeePC 901 and uses little mini PCIe card SSDs, there is NO WAY a hard disk form factor, whether flash or real, will fit. And no, you can't fit a Compact Flash card in Dell Mini 9 bay. Just take the cover off and look. The space is only about 5cm long.
Hi, emm ? I need a help whit this. which one is the best ? i want something special for my e 901. thx (the price is not a barrier)
1. 32GB RunCore SATA 70mm Mini PCI-e PCIe SSD
http://www.memoryc.co.uk/products/description/32GB_RunCore_SATA_70mm_Mini_PCI_e_PCIe_SSD_for_ASUS_EEE_PC_900-900A-901_and_S101/index.html
2. 32GB SuperTalent SATA mini PCIe SSD for ASUS
http://www.memoryc.com/storage/solidstatedisk/32gbsupertalentsataminipciexpresseees101.html
3. 32GB SuperTalent SATA Mini 2 PCIe SSD
http://www.memoryc.com/products/description/32GB_SuperTalent_SATA_Mini_2_PCIe_SSD_Solid_State_Disk_for_Asus_EEE_900-900A-901-S101/index.html
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